[191] John 5: Bethzatha, 5 Colonnades and 38 Years

26 So they walked and came to Moses and Aaron and all the assembly of the sons of Israel in the wilderness of Paran, at Kadesh. And they came bringing back word to them and all the assembly and showing them the fruitage of the land.
27 And they went on to report to him and say: We entered into the land to which you sent us out, and it is indeed flowing with milk and honey, and this is its fruitage (Numbers 13).

14 And the days that we walked from Kadesh-barnea until we crossed the torrent valley of Zered were 38 years, until all the generation of the men of war had come to their end from the midst of the camp, just as Jehovah had sworn to them [so the murmurers died during the first 38 years of the 40 year wilderness penalty] (Deuteronomy 2).

So the brought back the bad report from the spying to Moses in Kadesh. Then 38 years later all the generation that murmured and was old enough to be registered was dead.

1 After these things there was a festival of the Jews [the 'festival of the Jews' that Jesus actually attends is the 2019Sivan14 late 1st new Watchtower Passover], and Jesus [1NC reserves] went up to Jerusalem [The administration of the LWs].
2 Now there is in Jerusalem at [epi with dative] the [gate] for-sheep [probatikoV adjective] [the Passover sheep that are to be sacrificed at the festival of the Jews. The gate opens on 2018Sivan11-12 and the sacrifice occurs on 2018Sivan14] a pool designated in-Hebrew Bethzatha [Meaning House of Olives, or Bethesda in Aramaic, meaning house of rushing water or house of mercy. A Hebrew noun but not a proper noun, not a name of a person or town, but the name of a thing. So it does not count since the account is in Greek] [The house of the LWs, entered through water baptism - the house of olives - oil for priests - so a house of priests. A house of rushing water - quickly last minute baptism. A house of mercy on the faithful. Olives are harvested in Tishri/Heshvan in Israel], with 5 colonnades [a colonnade is a set of pillars holding up a canopy] [The canopy is the saints that will come into the church, the pillars are the priests. These two groups are collected into the 3EC and into the 4EC (this pool) for a Tetramenos of John4 of 2019Sivan4 and 2018Sivan11 - 2018Tishri9, when the 4EC water baptism ends for saints, and for a hexamenos to 2018Chislev2, for the priests. We baptise the 3rd Holy Spirit into Zoar on 2019Heshvan10 (having forbidden them like John did with Jesus, for 6 months). Also there are 5 groups of heavenly baptised saints. The Jewish 1NC reserves (Issachar), the proselyte 1NC reserves (Zebulun), the Gentile continuation call 1NC reserves (Judah), 2NC Watchtower Kings and Lords (Manasseh), 2NC worldly Kings and Lords (Ephraim). In this symbolism the 2NC human baptised Lords are Benjamin - the colonnades are canopied walkways which surround the pool and provide entrance into it - see U192].
3 In these a multitude of the sick [ones], blind [ones], lame [ones] and withered [ones], was lying down [Only the man sick for 38 years was told to get up pick up his bed and walk. But these others in the colonnades do eventually get into the pool, for their position declares that].

2 Is but in the Jerusalems [2x. Jerusalem can be singular or plural or indeclinable in Greek. It is declinable?] at/upon the sheep [gate] [1x. epi + dative - of position] pool the being called [literally said upon] in Hebrew Bethzatha [house of olives] [1x], 5 colonnades having [5x - Judah, Issachar, Zebulun, Ephraim and Manasseh - this is the 3EC and 4EC pool]
In these a
multitude of the sick [ones], blind [ones], lame [ones] and withered [ones], was lying down (John 5 KIT).


These are 120 days of baptism in this pool, the tetramenos of John4 for saints from 2019Sivan4 (for Jonah) and 2019Sivan11 to 2019Tishri9 for the rest of the saints. Jerusalem is plural here because in the greater meaning the "pool" is the 4EC baptism for 2NCs but there is also the 3EC baptism for 1NCs. The beautiful thing about this pool is that the 3EC and the 4EC are united once the non adamic blessing becomes available. So really the pool gives the blessing of the ICC a non adamic Isaaic body and it matters not whether the route to the pool was 3EC or 4EC. A colonnade is a walk way. So the pool has 5 walkways for 5 groups of saints (3 calls into the 1NC and 2 calls into the 2NC). So it is a 3EC and 4EC saintly pool.

120 days of 3EC and 4EC baptism for 1NCs and 2NCs. If we assume that Joshua and Caleb are not lying down but walking then we have 8 days of 1NC reserve sanctification/3EC baptism on 2018Iyyar10-11 (for CRC sealing Laodicean 1NC reserves) 2018Sivan11-12, 2018Tammuz10-12, 2018Ab10. 

We do not baptise anyone on Passover entry days other than 1NCs. For the Jordan dried up with the ark was carried across it.

4 Because an angel [Elijah4] according to season/appointed time [kairoV] [an appointed time - of a festival?] would come down into the pool [starting off the LW congregation on 2000Elul16 a festival of the LWs at the time, this was the appointed time to start the church. Then on 2000Tishri16, Jamie was baptized, making 3 LWs] and disturb the water [when Elijah4 finally gets the fire sign correct! - he agitates the church from their unperturbed and resting sleeping state into action - this occurs at an appointed - i.e. scripturally predicted time.]. The first [one] therefore to step in after disturbance of the water would become cured from whatever sickness [noshma] he was afflicted with. [Saints come into the church first. It is first come first serve] [Vatican B does not have this verse but the Alexandrinus early Latin versions and the Syriac Peshitta have it] [This is not the MO of God. You must have faith to be cured yes. But the demons could cure too using the level playing field card. But to have cripples waiting around every day and jumping in the pool whenever a leaf fell into it, may be very funny to demons, but is not the love of God]. [The count does work - we think, so perhaps this demonic game is canonically recorded since it tell us how saints are chosen??]

5 But a certain one [tiV], a man [not a double designation since it does not start with a noun] was there having 30 {years} and 8 years in his infirmity [asqenhma] [literally lack of strength - weakness] [This is the 1NC reserves in the Watchtower. They are sheep but weak in for 38 years. Well 38 years before 2017 is 1979. On 1972Heshvan29 the Jewish call into the 1NC ended. This was the last 1NC call. So Jesus' wife was 'born' on 1972Heshvan29. But that is too early. She was weak, having no control over the Watchtower and not knowing who she was. The Watchtower Governing Body restructured itself so as to become run by Jezebel (the 2/3rd majority of the Governing body) rather than Ahab (the President of the Governing Body or of any of the Watchtower corporations) on 1976January1 (see Crisis of Conscience p90 by Ray Franz). But the 3rd president Nathan Knorr and the Vice President (who would become the 4th president) Freddie Franz, both strongly opposed Jezebel having been chosen by Rutherford upon his death bed (along with Covington) to have stewardship of the Watchtower after the second president died - as an inseparable team). Knorr said about the democratic change: Over my dead body. He did not tolerate Jezebel whereas under Franz, the 4th president, the angel of Thyatira, we read: You tolerate that woman Jezebel (Revelation 2:20). So Jezebel took hold of the Society when Franz became the president on 1977Tammuz4]

The man was not by the pool 38 years. He was in his weakness 38 years. The pool was not known to the man until 2002Elul16 at the earliest (the baptism of Roger Knight). Elijah4 was baptized in water from heaven on 1986Heshvan21, the 2NC Pentecost, when the cup of the 4EC is drunk.

"The president’s last-mentioned words (“over my dead body”) nearly proved prophetic. At the time of saying them he evidently had already developed a malignant tumor on his brain, though this did not become known until after the reorganization was definitely a fait accompli, its completion taking place officially on January 1, 1976, and Knorr’s death occurring a year and a half later, on June 8, 1977." p90 Crisis of Conscience - Ray Franz

The decision to adopt a 2/3 majority vote of the Cardinals was made on 1975May1 (1975Iyyar18/19).  So this weakness of the 1NCs in the Watchtower was their tolerance of Jezebel, the democratic balance of the governing body. They listened to their wife rather than God. The 1NCs were unable to run the Watchtower theocratically.

So the 38 years of weakness not 39 are 38 Rosh Hashanas from 1975Tishri1 to 2012Tishri1. Then Laodicea lost its water baptism on 2013Chislev10, when the 2nd presence ended.

6 Seeing this man lying down [having no water baptism and being unable to walk, to publicly demonstrate his spirit baptism. He still had faith since he was by the pool], and being aware that he had already been [sick] a long time, Jesus said to him: Do you want to become whole/sound in health?
7 The sick man answered him: Sir, I do not have a man to put me into the pool when the water is disturbed; but while I am coming another steps down ahead of me [This is Laodicea, they got in the pool of the LWs first].
8 Jesus said to him: Get up, pick up your cot [krabbaton] and walk [Be water baptised, be sealed into the CRC and walk because you are a saint. If you join two true churches with a valid water baptism in the same presence then you are sealed into the CRC. 

Likewise if you join two true churches in the same presence without a valid water baptism then you are sealed into the FRC.

All these guys are lying by the pool waiting for the sign promised by the angel. 

This human kingdom resurrection is what the LWs are giving to people to whom they say: Pick up your cot]

9 With that the man immediately became whole/sound in health, and he picked up his cot and began to walk. [Jesus asks him if he wants to become sound in health perhaps on 2019Iyyar26, his appearance on the first of the Sabbaths of 2nd 1NC Weeks (completed Laodicean Weeks). He gets up on 2019Sivan11-12. He picks up his cot on 2019Sivan14 at his CRC baptism, his Passover feet drying. He begins to walk when he gets up] But it was a Sabbath in the day the same/that [Day counts 1x in the account. So it is literal in the word symbolic thread] 

2019Iyyar26 is the weekly Sabbath, the 1st of 1st Watchtower Weeks
2019Sivan1, the participating festival Sabbath of Zoar Rosh Hashana.
2019Sivan10 is the weekly Sabbath, the 7th of 1NC Weeks.
2019Sivan11 is the festival Sabbath of the 1NC Pentecost. this of course is when the 3rd presence should begin.

10 Therefore the Jews [Laodiceans] began to say to the cured [one]: It is Sabbath [2019Sivan11, the 1NC Pentecost], and it is not lawful for you to carry the cot [to own a resurrection into the Kingdom].
11 But he answered them: The very one that made me whole/sound in health said to me, 'Pick up your cot and walk.'
12 They asked him: Who is the man that said to you, 'Pick it up and walk'?
13 But the healed [one] did not know who he was, for Jesus had turned aside, there being a crowd in the place. (John 5).

Sabbath (2) Year (2) Day (1)

14 After these things Jesus found him in the temple [the LW church, having had a water baptism at last!] and said to him: See, you have become sound in health. Do not sin anymore, in order that something worse does not happen to you [you lose your angelic body].
15 The man went away and told the Jews it was Jesus that made him sound in health.
16 So on this account the Jews went persecuting Jesus, because he was doing these things during Sabbath.
17 But he answered them: My Father has kept working until now, and I keep working.
18 On this account, indeed, the Jews began seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath but he was also calling God his own Father, making himself equal to God.
19 Therefore, in answer, Jesus went on to say to them: Most truly I say to you, The Son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative, but only what he beholds the Father doing. For whatever things that One does, these things the Son also does in like manner.
20 For the Father has affection for the Son and shows him all the things he himself does, and he will show him works greater than these, in order that you may marvel.
21 For just as the Father raises the dead up and makes them alive, so the Son also makes those alive whom he wants to.
22 For the Father judges no one at all, but he has committed all the judging to the Son,
23 in order that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He that does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him.
24 Most truly I say to you, He that hears my word and believes him that sent me has everlasting life, and he does not come into judgment but has passed over from death to life.
25 Most truly I say to you, The hour is coming, and it is now, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who have given heed will live.
26 For just as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted also to the Son to have life in himself.
27 And he has given him authority to do judging, because Son of man [not son of the man] he is (John 5, NWT amended from Greek)

Bethzatha means 'house of olives'. The symbolism is very obviously to do with baptism in holy spirit, the greater olive oil for those who go through the 'sheepgate', Christians, at a festival:



The pool called Bethzatha

The baptism in holy sprit of the new covenant saints.

5 Colonnades

5 Prophetic Times (1800 years) of no baptism for new covenant saints from 95Tishri to 1895Tishri. This gap leads to the two presences.


Administration of God’s people, FDS3 (whilst they still were appointed - before 1995Tishri15)


Baptism in water to be a son of Isaac, a party to the ICC

Festival of the Jews 1994 Memorial of the JWs

Blind, Sick

Spiritually misguided

Lying down

No water baptism

Lame, Withered members


Season to season

First presence to second presence

Man sick for 38 years

Gordon and the 2NC Kings (not said to be in the colonnades), some of whom have been in the Watchtower, by the pool, from 1955Tishri the end of the sanctification of the remnant, the second baptism of the first new covenant saints, when the chap who stepped down before finished being sanctified, until 1993Adar17 (Letter 3), when the new new covenant, the 2NC,  was declared to the Watchtower effectively offering a new baptism but not in the pool. The sanctification of the 2NC Kings from heaven began in 1996Chislev. These saints joined the Watchtower too late to be sanctified as first new covenant saints, but they are not second class citizens, as some believe. In fact Jesus was watching their activities and remembering them so that he knew whom to baptise as second new covenant saints when the time came. This account proves this.

Another steps down ahead

Remnant 2nd baptism from 1895Tishri to 1955Tishri

Do not have a 'man' to put me in the pool.

No human to baptise him in holy spirit. This is because he is to be baptised in holy spirit by an angel. But this points to a time when a man will baptise in holy spirit.

Get up

The 2NC call to be sanctificatied in spirit was made on 1996Tebbeth27 for the 2NC kings, after 1996Nisan14 when FDS3 fell in authority over the saints. But Get up is a water baptism into the ICC, actually into the 4EC. You can be re water baptised! 

Pick up your cot

Cot is death bed. You can have a resurrection! Welcome to the Kingdom of God on earth, your water baptism is finished. This is the sealing in the flesh


Sanctification in holy spirit. 1996Tebbeth27 to 2001Tebbeth. You can have a spirit baptism!

Something worse

Sin against the holy spirit, the breaking of the spirit baptism, this is non repairable. The breaking of the water baptism, is repairable however. 'Get up' is the water rebaptism. The sin against the holy spirit only happens to those Nethinim who do not make it into the temple of FDS4

The very 'one' who made me sound in health said to me: Pick up your cot and walk

A 'one' who by contrast, is not a man, and is therefore an angel, who actually gives a guaranteed resurrection and a holy spirit baptism. Making him sound in health is a euphemism for baptism.
Who is 'the man' that said you: Pick it up and walk  A composite man like the sick man, the Sluggish Slave, who informs the sick man, the Nethinim, about the existence of the two baptisms (having learned about it from Gordon). This man did not make him sound in health. He did not baptise him.

Didn't know who he was

The details of the Wicked Slave and the Sluggish Slave were not explained to the Nethinim. The WSS puts a filter on this work.


House of FDS4


The 1,000 year Sabbath of the Kingdom of God

Jews JWs
Jesus Gordon, he 'went up' to Jerusalem by letter just before the 1994Nisan14 memorial to try and persuade the New covenant saints to celebrate it properly (as he thought at the time). Gordon doesn't baptise any 2NC Kings in holy spirit (only in water), because the man (2NC Kings) went away and told the Jews (JWs) it was Jesus (Gordon) who made him sound in health. He did not say that it was Jesus who told him to pick up his bed and walk. But Gordon does make him sound in health, (baptise him) in water, making him sound to the extent of cleanliness of the flesh. In other words, his past sins are forgiven through Gordon, but his future sins are forgiven through the angel.
Do not sin anymore You have everlasting life. He quite obviously would not have stopped sinning!
Unlawful to carry a bed on the Sabbath Unlawful to get a finished water baptism - the JWs say.
The Father Jesus
The Son Gordon

The Jewish festival was booths, and the 5 colonnades are from 95Tishri, the end of the 96 years of the first baptism of the remnant until 1895Tishri the start of the 96 years of the second baptism of the remnant. Applying the Times Principle of the code, five prophetic times is 1800 years, the five times of the Intermission times in this case. It’s like the famous scripture says:

The utterance of Jehovah to my Lord is: Sit at my right hand until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet (Psalm 110:1).

The Lord said to my Lord: Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies beneath your feet.
If, therefore, David calls him 'Lord,' how is he his son?
(Matthew 22:44,45 NWT corrected).

By the holy spirit David himself said: The Lord said to my Lord: Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies beneath your feet (Mark 12:36 NWT corrected).

For David himself says in the book of Psalms: The Lord said to my Lord, Sit at my right hand until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet (Luke 20:42,43 NWT corrected)

Actually David did not ascend to the heavens, but he himself says: Jehovah said to my Lord: Sit at my right hand, until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet (Acts 2:34,35).

But with reference to which one of the angels has he ever said: Sit at my right hand, until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet ? (Hebrews 1:13).

The hand has five fingers on it or it has fingers occurring 5 times. It stands for 5 times in the symbolic meaning. The Jehovah's Witnesses correctly replace the word ‘Lord’ in the old testament with the original scripture wording ‘Jehovah’ deriding the Jewish scribes for altering the holy word of God due to their superstition. But then, the hypocrites that they are, they go and make the same mistake themselves and they change the word ‘Lord’ in the new testament for ‘Jehovah’, breaking the holy code in precisely the same way, becoming inverted scribes!

When you are sitting you cannot baptise in holy spirit, the priest has to be standing to baptise in holy spirit - see [204]. The right hand congregation of Christ is the remnant, the new covenant saints, FDS1 and FDS3, and the left hand congregation is that of FDS2 and FDS4, the sons of Bilhah and of Rachel. So sitting at the right hand is a suspension of baptism for the remnant lasting five times (a hand has fingers occurring 5 times). This is the 1800 years of the Intermission Times.

However, it is evident from the multiplicity of recitals of this scripture that there are further fulfillments. One of them involves a delay in baptising the multitude of the JWs and those who make the final part of the great crowd, for 5 years, from 2001Tishri30 to 2006Tishri30. We can use the counting dimension of the code, and get a count on those in the Colonnades:

In these was lying down multitude:
of the (ones) being sick                              2x
of blind (ones)                                              2x
of lame (ones)                                              2x
of withered (ones)                                       2x

The multitude 'in these' counts as 8x in 1x and 8x in 1x = 18x or possibly just 8x + 2x = 10X. This might be the period of water baptism of the 'multitude' of JWs who join the LWs, from 2010Nisan onwards??

Now the thing is that when Jesus said to him: Get up, pick up your bed and walk. The account then says: He immediately became sound in health, and (not necessarily immediately) he picked up his bed and began to walk. This is an omission symbolism. The account does not say that he 'got up'. Of course he got up, but in the account symbolism the meaning is that the Nethinim do not get a water baptism from heaven from 'the man'. They get a spirit baptism and also a righteous decree in the spirit, if they turn up in the temple of FDS4. Now it is FDS4 that tells them that they can pick up their cot, i.e. have a resurrection (which means for the Nethinim, 'Have everlasting life'). But it is not FDS4 that actually gives them this baptism. For the scripture says:

Therefore the Jews began to say to the cured man: It is Sabbath, and it is not lawful for you to carry the cot.
11 But he answered them: The very one that made me sound in health said to me, 'Pick up your cot and walk.'
12 They asked him: Who is the man that told you, 'Pick it up and walk'?
13 But the healed man did not know who he was, for Jesus had turned aside, there being a crowd in the place.
14 After these things Jesus found him in the temple and said to him: See, you have become sound in health. Do not sin anymore, in order that something worse does not happen to you.

The 'man' gives the information about the possibility of the baptism but the 'one' (who is an angel since he is not described as a man) gives the baptism. So the Nethinim are baptised from heaven, by an angel whom they do not know, he gives them their sanctification and he gives everlasting life to those who eventually come to the temple of FDS4. Neither do they know Gordon, who informs the Sluggish Slave, who informs them of these baptisms. Only when they reach the temple of FDS4 do they 'get up', or get the water baptism into the ICC.