[123] The Daniel 4 Determination of the Exedenic, Alienation and Gentile Times

The setting of this account is that King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon  has burnt Jerusalem and Solomon's temple on 586Ab10. He has taken the head ones of the people into exile in Babylon. Daniel, a Hebrew Prophet and Symbolic Dream Decoder, has also been taken captive and resides in Babylon. King Nebuchadnezzar has a dream about a tree which is chopped down and 7 times pass over it. Daniel interprets this dream as meaning that the King will lose his kingdom for 7 times, i.e. 7 years by the literal meaning of the Times Principle.  The account has two word symbolic threads due to the double designations such as Nebuchadnezzar, the king. Here is the dream as described by Nebuchadnezzar to Daniel:

1 Nebuchadnezzar, the king, to all the peoples, national groups and languages that are dwelling in all the earth: May your peace grow great.
2 The signs and wonders that the Most High God has performed with me, it has seemed good to me to declare.
3 How grand his signs are, and how mighty his wonders are! His kingdom is a kingdom to time indefinite, and his rulership is for generation after generation.
4 I, Nebuchadnezzar, happened to be at ease in my house and flourishing in my palace.
5 There was a dream that I beheld, and it began to make me afraid. And there were mental images upon my bed and visions of my head that began to frighten me.
6 And from me an order was being put through to bring in before me all the wise men of Babylon, that they might make known to me the very interpretation of the dream.
7 At that time the magic-practicing priests, the conjurers, the Chaldeans and the astrologers were entering; and I was saying before them what the dream was, but its interpretation they were not making known to me.
8 And at last there came in before me Daniel, whose name is Belteshazzar according to the name of my god and in whom there is the spirit of the holy gods; and before him I said what the dream was:
9 'Oh Belteshazzar,
[Bel protect the King] the chief of the magic-practicing priests, because I myself well know that the spirit of the holy gods is in you and that there is no secret at all that is troubling you, tell [me] the visions of my dream that I have beheld and its interpretation.

DREAM [Applies to FDS1/ES1 in the first presence and FDS3/ES2 in the second. The 1NC saints both suffer a 7x Kingship and Priesthood and Blessed land malediction]
10 'Now the visions of my head upon my bed I happened to be beholding, and, look! a tree in the midst of the earth [like the tree in the midst of Eden], the height of which was immense.
11 The tree grew up and became strong, and its very height finally reached the heavens, and it was visible to the extremity of the whole earth.
12 Its foliage was fair, and its fruit was abundant, and there was food for all on it. Under it the beast of the field would seek shade, and on its boughs the birds of the heavens would dwell, and from it all flesh would feed itself.
13 'I continued beholding in the visions of my head upon my bed, and, look! a watcher, even a holy one, coming down from the heavens themselves.
14 He was calling out loudly, and this is what he was saying: Chop the tree down, and cut off its boughs. Shake off its foliage, and scatter its fruitage. Let the beast flee from under it, and the birds from its boughs.
15 However, leave its rootstock itself in the earth, even with a banding of iron and of copper [Kingship of iron and Priesthood of copper], among the grass of the field [Exedenic]; and with the dew of the heavens let it be wet, and with the beast let its portion be  among the vegetation of the earth.
16 Let its heart be changed from that of mankind, and let the heart of a beast be given to it, and let 7 times pass over it.
17 By the decree of watchers the thing is, and [by] the saying of holy ones the request is, to the intent that people living may know that the Most High is powerful/the authority [adjective used substantively - the potentate, the authority, the ruler] in the kingdom of mankind and that to the one whom he wants to, he gives it and he sets up over it even the lowliest one of mankind.
18 'This was the dream that I myself, King Nebuchadnezzar, beheld; and you yourself, Oh Belteshazzar, say what the interpretation is, forasmuch as all the [other] wise men of my kingdom are unable to make known to me the interpretation itself. But you are competent, because the spirit of holy gods is in you.'

RECITAL AND INTERPRETATION [applies in the 2nd presence Laodiceans who run up a further sin in addition to the Watchtower sins. The Laodicean 1NC reserves who make it into Zoar suffer all 3 maledictions. The Laodicean 2NC saints lose their angels (since only Rahab and the house of Rahab, the 3EC continue, to live. So the Laodicean ex 2NCs can only suffer the Laodicean Alienation Times and the Laodicean Exedenic Times maledictions. All of this would also apply to first presence Laodiceans - due to double designations everywhere. These maledictions may only be 7 months long]
19 At that time Daniel himself, whose name is Belteshazzar, was astonished for a moment, and his very thoughts began to frighten him. The king was answering and saying, 'Oh Belteshazzar, do not let the dream and the interpretation themselves frighten you.' Belteshazzar was answering and saying, 'Oh my lord, may the dream [apply] to those hating you [1NC saints in TTC1 and TCC3], and its interpretation to your cities/encampments/adversaries/enemies [the Laodicean 1NC reserves who make it into TCC2 and into TCC4].
20 'The tree that you beheld, that grew great and became strong and the height of which finally reached the heavens and which was visible to all the earth,
21 and the foliage of which was fair, and the fruit of which was abundant, and on which there was food for all; under which the beasts of the field would dwell, and on the boughs of which the birds of the heavens would reside,
22 it is you, Oh king [1NC saints], because you have grown great and become strong, and your grandeur has grown great and reached to the heavens, and your rulership to the extremity of the earth.
23 'And because the king beheld a watcher, even a holy one, coming down from the heavens, who was also saying: Chop the tree down, and ruin it. However, leave its rootstock itself in the earth, but with a banding of iron and of copper [Kingship of iron and Priesthood of copper], among the grass of the field [Exedenic], and with the dew of the heavens let it become wet, and with the beasts of the field [Exedenic] let its portion be until 7 times themselves pass over it,

In the literal meaning dream and the interpretation both applied to the King and not to those hating him or to his enemies/cities. So that part of verse 19 has no literal power. But all scripture is alive and exerts power says Paul in Hebrews4:12. So in the word symbolic meaning the dream applies not to the King himself but to the errant wife of Jesus, those hating him, FDS1/ES1 and FDS3/ES2, the later 1NC saints of the first and the 3rd true churches. And the Interpretation applies to the first and 2nd presence Laodiceans, who run up further penalties in addition to Watchtower mistakes

Laodicean 1NC reserve Gentile Times is 7 months from 2016Tishri15-2017Iyyar15 (which cannot be paid off until the end of the Kingdom Gentile Times)
Laodicean Alienation Times is 7 months from 2017Iyyar21-2017Chislev21 (the 2NC Pentecost). 
Laodicean Exedenic Times is 7 months from 2017Elul16 to 2018Nisan16 (to prevent them from entering into the ark - for God swore in his anger that they shall not enter into his rest)?

Laodiceans CAN enter into the first Watchtower Passover for the 3rd marriage. But no 1NC can be crowned until the 3rd marriage on 2017Iyyar16 due to the Laodicean Gentile Times malediction.

24 this is the interpretation, Oh king, and the decree of the Most High is that which must befall my lord the king.
25 And you they will be driving away from men, and with the beasts of the field your dwelling will come to be, and the vegetation is what they will give even to you to eat just like bulls; and with the dew of the heavens you yourself will be getting wet, and 7 times themselves will pass over you, until you know that the Most High is powerful/the authority [adjective used substantively - the potentate, the authority, the ruler] in the kingdom of mankind and that to the one whom he wants to, he gives it.
26 'And because they said to leave the rootstock of the tree, your kingdom will be sure to you after you know that the heavens are ruling.
27 Therefore, Oh king, may my counsel seem good to you, and remove your own sins by righteousness, and your iniquity by showing mercy to the poor ones. Maybe there will occur a lengthening of your prosperity.'

FULFILMENT [Applies to the Gentile Times - A 7 Prophetic Times, 2520 year, malediction upon the royal administration of God's people, the sons of the ICC)
28 All this befell Nebuchadnezzar, the king.
At the end of 12 lunar months [one BLC year, 360 BLC days, the unit of time measurement for this account] he happened to be walking upon the royal palace of Babylon.
30 The king was answering and saying: Is not this Babylon the Great, that I myself have built for the royal house with the strength of my might and for the dignity of my majesty?
31 While the word was yet in the king's mouth, there was a voice that fell from the heavens: To you it is being said, Oh Nebuchadnezzar, the king, 'The kingdom itself has gone away from you [Rulership malediction - The Gentile Times],
32 and from mankind [angels] they are driving even you away [priesthood malediction - The Alienation Times], and with the beasts of the field your dwelling will be [The Exedenic Times, not in God's land]. Vegetation they will give even to you to eat just like bulls [unblessed food - Exedenic Times], and 7 times themselves will pass over you [in each case, 7x of Alienation, 7x of no blessed food from a blessed land and 7x of no Kingdom], until you know that the Most High is powerful/the authority in the kingdom of mankind [adjective used substantively - the potentate, the authority, the ruler - on 1914Heshvan2/Chislev21 when FDS3 was appointed/installed to feed after the end of the continuous Gentile Times on 1914Tishri15] and that to the one whom he wants to, he gives it' [on 2009Heshvan2/Chislev21 when FDS4 was appointed/installed to feed as priests the 1NC reserves]

33 At that moment the word itself was fulfilled upon Nebuchadnezzar, and from mankind he was being driven away [Alienation Times], and vegetation he began to eat just like bulls [unblessed food - Exedenic Times], and with the dew of the heavens his own body got to be wet [baptism into an FRC test rather than a CRC test], until his very hair grew long just like eagles' [feathers] and his nails like birds' [claws] [to analyse and rip apart scripture].
34 And at the end of the days I, Nebuchadnezzar, lifted up to the heavens my eyes, and my own understanding began to return to me; and I blessed the Most High himself, and the One living to time indefinite I praised and glorified, because his rulership is a rulership to time indefinite and his kingdom is for generation after generation.
35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are being considered as merely nothing, and he is doing according to his own will among the army of the heavens and the inhabitants of the earth. And there exists no one that can check his hand or that can say to him, 'What have you been doing?'
36 At the same time my understanding itself began to return to me, and for the dignity of my kingdom my majesty and my brightness themselves began to return to me; and for me even my high royal officers and my grandees began eagerly searching, and I was reestablished upon my own kingdom, and greatness extraordinary was added to me.
37 Now I, Nebuchadnezzar, am praising and exalting and glorifying the King of the heavens, because all his works are truth and his ways are justice, and because those who are walking in pride he is able to humiliate (Daniel 4).

So the big question for God's people as prisoners in the foreign land of Babylon, having been deported there by Nebuchadnezzar, a Gentile, after he burnt Jerusalem and Solomon's temple, is not how long will it be until we get Nebuchadnezzar back as our king? But, how long will it be after God ceased being our king, before he again becomes our king through a vassal King who actually represents him? And how long do we have to spend outside of the promised land? And when can we get a temple to worship in once more with a priesthood that forgives our sins?

The tree is the administration of God's people. It provides blessed food. It provides divine secular rulership. It provides divine spiritual rulership. It provides a true priesthood which provides salvation baptism and gifts of the spirit. It has the heart of mankind (humane, win-win, morally sustainable). rather than of a beast (satanic self absorbed competitive, win-lose, morally unsustainable). 

The Gentile Times Interpretation

The 7 Prophetic Times passing over the stump of the tree have been taken as 2520 years (7x 360 lunar day years, making 2520 days, then substitute a day for a year as was done in Numbers14 and Ezekiel4) during which God/Jesus was unable to be the King over his people. Then at the end of this period, the hope of the second adventists and the Russellites was that Jesus would come (the second coming) and start ruling over his people which would begin the Kingdom of God. The Watchtower originally thought that the end of this period would be Armageddon (not unreasonably on the basis of Daniel 4 alone). The Watchtower even today still think that the period from 607Tishri to 1914Tishri is the 7 Prophetic Times (each being 360 years long) of the Gentile Times of Daniel4. The believe that Jesus came in heavenly Kingdom power in 1914Tishri invisibly. It is a wonderful interpretation - so close to the truth. It was enough for Russell to start the Watchtower church upon. This interpretation, originating from the Reverend John Aquila Brown - see U120, was the beginning of all second presence bible decoding - such as there has been. 

Historically, what 'second adventists' have done is to take Nebuchadnezzar to represent: God's vassal king over his people, in the entire account. They then say that the 2520 day period, which represents the time during which God does not have a vassal king over his people, is obviously way too short and so should be taken at 'a day for a year', effectively using the Times Principle, without realising that it is a general principle of a bible code. Yes all bible researchers think that the idea of taking 7 times as 2520 years is unique to and only applies to Daniel chapter 4. No one thought of applying it to Daniel5 or to Genesis4 until 1992 - when Gordon Ritchie broke free from the brainwashing of the JWs thanks to Massoud Vakili his doctoral friend and colleague at Imperial College department of Aeronautics.

The problem with the naive symbolic interpretation of 'Nebuchadnezzar' as being God's vassal king over Abraham's true seed, who is Jesus at the end of the 2520 year period, is that Daniel says to him:

27 Therefore, O king, may my counsel seem good to you, and remove your own sins by righteousness, and your iniquity by showing mercy to the poor ones. Maybe there will occur a lengthening of your prosperity (Daniel 4).

Jesus had no sin, but was unblemished, and he had no iniquity, so this counsel cannot apply to him - personally. The solution to this is to realise that the Gentile Times is not a malediction on Jesus but on all the sons of the JAC (the saints), who cannot rule over the sons of the ICC for 2520 years. Or put another way it is upon the administration of God's true people who are denied any secular rulership over themselves for 2520 years from when the tribute started to be paid to Pharaoh Necho by a vassal King appointed by him, in 607Tishri to 1914Tishri. 

For King David and King Solomon were both saints...

12 When your days come to the full, and you must lie down with your forefathers, then I shall certainly raise up your seed after you [Solomon, the seed of David], which will come out of your inward parts; and I shall indeed firmly establish his kingdom.
13 He is the one that will build a house for my name, and I shall certainly establish the throne of his kingdom firmly to time indefinite.
14 I myself shall become his father, and he himself will become my son
[Solomon was born again as were the whole line from Moses through the Judges to Jehoahaz]. When he does wrong, I will also reprove him with the rod of men and with the strokes of the sons of Adam.
15 As for my loving-kindness, it will not depart from him the way I removed it from Saul, whom I removed on account of you (2 Samuel 7).

In fact all the heads of Judah from Moses to Jehoahaz were saints because God would not cause a non saint to rule over the sanctified. Of course just as there are rotten saints in the church, there were rotten saints ruling over Israel. This is proven by the word symbolic meaning of the genealogy of Matthew1 - see U254.

So these saints, sons of the JAC, born again angelic children of God in human bodies, could sin and fulfil Daniel 4:27.

The secular ruler of a group of people, the Caesar to that group is the person to whom they pay tax. So the Gentile Times did not begin when Nebuzaradan sacked Jerusalem and burnt the temple on 568Ab10, which the Watchtower fudge to be 607Tishri. It began when the Jews began paying a tribute to Pharaoh Necho following his conquest and killing of King Josiah in 608 BC - see U120.

But once you realise what truly started the Gentile Times, namely the appointment of a Caesar over God's people to whom a tribute, a tax, had to be paid, then you realise that we are all still in the Gentile Times since we all still pay tax to our respective Caesar's today who set very often unjust secular laws for us all. So the Gentile Times in the sense of God not having secular rulership of his official people did not end in 1914Tishri. 

The Extra 95 + 7 years in the Gentile Times

Our thanks to Dr Stephen E. Jones for coming up with this general idea - http://www.gods-kingdom-ministries.net/teachings/ffi-newsletter/ffi-2014/05-01-2014-the-progressive-kingdom/

The Jews managed to procure self rule for themselves under the Hasmonean dynasty for around 101 years from 141 BC to 40 BC - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasmonean_dynasty. The got a freedom from taxes and a measure of self rule from both the Seleucids and from the Romans during this period.  Dr Jones postulated the idea that the Gentile Times is punctuated by a Hasmonean period of 100 years. He ran this period from 163 to 63BC when the Romans under Pompeii conquered Jerusalem from the Hasmoneans. But we can be more accurate than this. 

For the sequence of events leading up to the start of the Gentile Times was the following.

29 In his days Pharaoh Nechoh the king of Egypt came up to the king of Assyria by the river Euphrates, and King Josiah proceeded to go to meet him; but he put him to death at Megiddo as soon as he saw him [608BC].
30 So his servants conveyed him dead in a chariot from Megiddo and brought him to Jerusalem and buried him in his grave. Then the people of the land took Jehoahaz the son of Josiah and anointed him and made him king in place of his father.
31 23 years old was Jehoahaz when he began to reign, and for 3 months he reigned in Jerusalem [608BC]. And his mother's name was Hamutal the daughter of Jeremiah from Libnah.
32 And he began to do what was bad in Jehovah's eyes, according to all that forefathers of his had done.
33 And Pharaoh Nechoh got to put him in bonds at Riblah in the land of Hamath, to keep him from reigning in Jerusalem, and then imposed a fine upon the land of 100 silver talents and a gold talent.
34 Furthermore, Pharaoh Nechoh made Eliakim the son of Josiah king in place of Josiah his father [608-607BC] and changed his name to Jehoiakim; and Jehoahaz he took and then brought to Egypt, where he eventually died.
35 And the silver and the gold Jehoiakim gave to Pharaoh. Only he taxed the land, to give the silver at the order of Pharaoh. According to each one's individual tax rate he exacted the silver and the gold from the people of the land, to give it to Pharaoh Nechoh.
36 25 years old was Jehoiakim when he began to reign, and for 11 years he reigned in Jerusalem. And his mother's name was Zebidah the daughter of Pedaiah from Rumah. (2 Kings 23 NWT)

So Pharaoh Necho appointed a vassal King for himself, Eliakim whose name was changed to Jehoiakim to make him sound more like Jehovah was behind him. And he demanded a tribute from the people of the land. So a vassal appointed by a conquering King and a tribute levied by that King define a Gentile Times, a kingship malediction. 

So when did the Hasmoneans cease having to pay a tribute to the Seleucids? And when did Judea appoint its own King?

Josephus quotes letter from the Seleucid King Demetrius II to Jonathan Maccabeus, the Hasmonean, written around 145BC, absolving Judea from all future taxes (Antiquities of the Jews book 13 chapter 4 paragraph 9)  - http://www.mycrandall.ca/courses/ntintro/intest/hist3.htm 

 "King Demetrus to Lasthenes our father, sendeth greeting. I have determined to return thanks, and to show favour to the nation of the Jews, which hath observed the rules of justice in our concerns. Accordingly, I remit to them the three prefectures, Apherims, and Lydda, and Ramatha, which have been added to Judea out of Samaria, with their appurtenances; as also what the kings my predecessors received from those that offered sacrifices in Jerusalem, and what are due from the fruits of the earth, and of the trees, and what else belongs to us; with the salt-pits, and the crowns that used to be presented to us. Nor shall they be compelled to pay any of those taxes from this time to all futurity. Take care therefore that a copy of this epistle be taken, and given to Jonathan, and be set up in an eminent place of their holy temple.'"

1Maccabees11 quotes the same letter...

28 Jonathan asked the king to release the territory of Judea and the three regions of Samaria from the payment of taxes, promising that if Demetrius would do that, he would pay him a lump sum of 22,000 pounds of silver. 
29 The king agreed and wrote a letter to Jonathan to confirm all this:

30 King Demetrius to King Jonathan and to the Jewish nation, greetings.
31 For your information I am sending a copy of the letter I have written to the Honorable Lasthenes about you:

32 King Demetrius to the Honorable Lasthenes, greetings. 
33 I have decided to grant the Jewish nation certain benefits because they are our loyal allies and keep their treaty obligations. 
34 I confirm their rights to the land of Judea and the three regions of Ephraim, Lydda, and Arimathea, which are hereby annexed to Judea from Samaria with all the lands belonging to them. This will be of benefit to everyone who goes to Jerusalem to offer sacrifice, since payments of the annual tax on produce and fruit from these lands will no longer be made to the king, but to the Temple. 
35 And I also grant them relief from the payment of revenues now due me from tithes, tolls, salt taxes, and special taxes. 
36 None of the provisions mentioned in this letter shall ever be cancelled in the future.
37 You are required to see that a complete copy of this decree is made and given to Jonathan, to be posted in a prominent place on the Temple hill.

But this agreement was reneged upon in 143. And it was never determined during Jonathan's life whether he or his brother Simon was the ruler of Judea. Jonathan was tricked and murdered by Diodotus Trophon in 142 BC.

"Diodotus Tryphon went with an army to Judea and invited Jonathan to Scythopolis for a friendly conference, where he persuaded him to dismiss his army of 40,000 men, promising to give him Ptolemais and other fortresses. Jonathan fell into the trap; he took with him to Ptolemais 1,000 men, all of whom were slain; he himself was taken prisoner.

When Diodotus Tryphon was about to enter Judea at Hadid, he was confronted by the new Jewish leader, Simon, ready for battle. Trypho, avoiding an engagement, demanded one hundred talents and Jonathan's two sons as hostages, in return for which he promised to liberate Jonathan. Although Simon did not trust Diodotus Tryphon, he complied with the request so that he might not be accused of the death of his brother. But Diodotus Tryphon did not liberate his prisoner; angry that Simon blocked his way everywhere and that he could accomplish nothing, he executed Jonathan at Baskama, in the country east of the Jordan. Jonathan was buried by Simeon at Modin. Nothing is known of his two captive sons. One of his daughters was an ancestor of Josephus.

Simon assumed the leadership (142 BC), receiving the double office of High Priest and prince of Israel. The leadership of the Hasmoneans was established by a resolution, adopted in 141 BC, at a large assembly "of the priests and the people and of the elders of the land, to the effect that Simon should be their leader and High Priest forever, until there should arise a faithful prophet" (1 Macc. 14:41). Ironically, the election was performed in Hellenistic fashion.

Simon, having made the Jewish people semi-independent of the Seleucid Greeks, reigned from 142 to 135 BC and formed the Hasmonean dynasty. The Roman Senate accorded the new dynasty recognition by the Romans c.139 BC, when the delegation of Simon was in Rome"
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasmonean_dynasty

So by 142 BC, the Judeans became exempt from paying taxes to a foreign power and by 141 BC they had chosen their own King. So the Gentile Times was temporarily suspended in 142 BC, since its definition is the paying of taxes to a foreign power collected by a King chosen by that power.

A good chronology of the beginning of the Hasmonean liberation of Judea from http://www.mycrandall.ca/courses/ntintro/intest/hist3.htm is as follows...

146-45 Ptolemy VI Philometor, son-in-law of Alexander Balas, comes against Alexander Balas, in order to remove him from power in favor of Demetrius II. The Antiochians attempt to make Ptolemy VI Philometor king of both kingdoms, but he declines and persuades them to accept Demetrius II as king. Ptolemy VI Philometor forces Alexander Balas to flee to Arabia, where he is killed. According to Josephus, Alexander Balas has become unpopular with the Antiochians because of a certain Ammonius (Ant.13.4.6; 108; 13.4.7; 112). Ptolemy VI, however, dies from wounds shortly thereafter, so that Demetrius II is left in control of the Seleucid Kingdom. 1 Macc 11:1-19; Ant. 13.4.5-9; 103-21 see Diod. 32; Livy, Epit. 52; Strabo 16.2.8. 
*1 Macc and Ant. differ with regard to Ptolemy' s motives. The former claims that he has designs on Alexander's kingdom, whereas the latter (in agreement with Diod. 32.9) says that he turns against Alexander only when it is discovered that he is conspiring to kill him and that he never intended to annex the Seleucid Kingdom.
145 Jonathan, having no ally in the Seleucid Kingdom, attempts to gain independence. He besieges the Akra, still occupied by Syrian troops, and is called to Ptolemais to explain. In exchange for lifting the siege he demands control of three Samaritan toparchies and exemption from taxation, to which Demetrius II agrees. Demetrius II also confirms Jonathan in all the titles, honors and privileges that he had under Alexander Balas. Jonathan pays the king 300 talents. Jonathan has many Jewish opponents who complain about him to the king, but he ignores them. 1 Maccabees quotes a letter from Demetrius II to Jonathan confirming their arrangement (11:30-37). 1 Macc 11:20-37; Ant. 13.4.9; 121-30
*Josephus says that Jonathan also asked for control of Joppa and Galilee (Ant. 13.4.9; 125).
*In 1 Macc 13:48, the reduction of pay and Crete are not mentioned as they are in Ant. 13.4.9; 129.
143 A certain Diodotus known more popularly as Tryphon, exploiting the discontent among the troops of Demetrius II, declares Antiochus VI, son of Alexander Balas, to be king, who was raised by Imalkue, an Arab. Demetrius II promises Jonathan control of the Akra in exchange for sending troops to Antioch to help suppress the revolt against his rule. Jonathan sends troops, who prevent the Antiochians from removing Demetrius II from power.  1 Macc 11:38-52; Ant. 13.5.1-3; 131-41; Diod. 33.4a; Strabo 16.752; Livy, Epit. 52; Appian, Syr. 68
*Unlike 1 Macc, Josephus identifies Tryphon as Diodotus of Apamea and calls Imalkue Malkus (Ant. 13.5.1-3; 131).
143 Demetrius II reneges on his promises to Jonathan, but is removed from power in Antioch by Antiochus VI and Tryphon, who then seek Jonathan's support. They promise to confirm Jonathan in power, and make his brother Simon the commander of the army between Tyre and Egypt. Ostensibly, in support of Antiochus VI and Tryphon, Jonathan and Simon conquer territory still held by supporters of Demetrius II: Askalon, Gazara and Beth-zur (where a garrison loyal to Demetrius II resided). Jonathan is forced to lay siege to Gazara before it would submit to him and agrees to support Antiochus VI. Demetrius II sends an army against Jonathan in Galilee, but is defeated. 1 Macc 11:53-74; Ant. 13.5.3-8; 142-62 
*Absent in 1 Macc, Ant. 13.5.3; 143 says that Demetrius II insists that the Jews pay tribute.
*Unlike 1 Macc 11:60, Ant. 13.4.5; 148 says that Jonathan traveled through Phoenicia.
*Ant. 13.4.5; 148 says that Jonathan gathers no Syrian troops in support of Antiochus VI and Tryphon beyond the Jordan, whereas 1 Macc says that he does (11:60).
*Josephus indicates that the reason that his soldiers turned against him is that Demetrius II has not paid them (Ant. 13.5.3; 144) (but see 1 Macc 11:55).
 143 Jonathan renews the treaty with Rome and forms an alliance with Sparta. 1 Macc cites the letter sent to the Spartans and to Rome (1 Macc 12:19-23). Josephus inserts a paragraph about the three Jewish "sects" (haireseis) and how they differ over the issue of free will and God's sovereignty ("fate"): Pharisees, Sadducees and Essenes (Ant. 13.4.9; 171-73). The implication may be that these "sects" came into existence around this time. 1 Macc 12:1-23; Ant. 13.5.8; 163-70
*1 Macc makes no mention of the motive of covetousness to explain attacks on the Jews (Ant. 13.4.8; 169).
 143 Troops loyal to Demetrius II march on Jonathan in Judea but retreat from fear of Jonathan's strength. Jonathan pursues the fleeing army as far as Damascus, and then makes war on the Nabateans. At the same time, Simon marches through the land as far as Askalon, and takes Joppa. 1 Macc 12:24-32; Ant. 13.5.10; 174-80
*Josephus says that Jonathan, taking the Nabateans prisoners and plundering their cattle, sells both in Damascus (Ant. 13.5.10; 179).
143  Jonathan and Simon fortify Jerusalem and other places. A wall is built between the Akra and the rest of the city to isolate the former. Simon fortifies Adida in the Shephelah.  1 Macc 12:35-39; Ant. 13.5.11; 181-83
*Unlike 1 Macc, Josephus says that Jonathan convenes the Jewish elders in the Temple and fortifies the Temple precincts with high towers (Ant. 13.5.11; 182). Ant. omits reference to events in 1 Macc 12:27-38.
143-42 Tryphon intends to kill Antiochus VI and become king, but Jonathan is an obstacle to his plans since he is an ally of Antiochus VI. Tryphon betrays Jonathan. He convinces Jonathan to come to Ptolemais with only a few troops ostensibly to be given control of the city. But he deceives Jonathan, capturing him and killing his troops. Simon is chosen as Jonathan's replacement. Tryphon claims that he is holding Jonathan ransom because he has not paid what he owes to the royal treasury; he asks for 100 talents of silver and two of Jonathan's sons as hostages. Simon provides what is demanded, but Tryphon does not free Jonathan. Tryphon marches against Simon, because the men of the Akra request his assistance. He does not engage the Jews in battle; rather he retreats to the land of Gilead (Galaaditis) where he kills Jonathan, and then returns to Coele-Syria.

1 Macc 12:40-13:24; Ant. 13.6.1-6; 187-209; Appian, Syr.. 67-68; Justinus 36.1
*Josephus adds that the people of Ptolemais closed the city gates on orders from Tryphon (Ant. 13.6.2; 192).
*Josephus says that Simon assembles the people in the Temple (Ant. 13.6.3; 197). He also embellishes Simon's speech (Ant. 13.6.3; 198-200; cf. 1 Macc 13:3-6).
*Unlike 1 Macc, Josephus has Simon inform his army of Tryphon's plot (Ant. 13.6.5; 205-206).
Possibly 1QpHab 9 and 4Q171 (4.10) refers to the death of Jonanthan, whom they name the "Wicked Priest."

143-42 Simon collects Jonathan's remains, brings them to Modein, and buries it with the rest of his family. He builds a monument over the tomb of his father and brothers. 1 Macc 13:25-30; Ant. 13.6.6; 209-12
*Josephus says that the monument had porticos, but says nothing about the suits of armor and ships carved on the columns.
142 Tryphon kills Antiochus VI and makes himself king. (Demetrius II, however, still has control of part of the Seleucid kingdom.) Simon allies himself with Demetrius II, who grants him exemption from all tribute, in effect declaring Judea and the three Samaritan toparchies to be politically independent. This marks the beginning of Jewish independence. 1 Macc 13:31-42; Ant. 13.6.1; 187; 13.6.7-7.1; 213-22; see Diod. 33.28; Livy, Epit. 55; Appian, Syr. 67-8; Justin 36.1, 7.
*Josephus says that Tryphon usurps power and kills Antiochus after Demetrius' defeat and capture by the Parthians, whereas 1 Macc reverses the order (see 1 Macc 13:31, 41).  (Appian, Syr. 67-8 agrees with Josephus). 
142-40 Simon captures Gazara, Joppa, Jamnia and Beth-Zur, and fortifies these. He also captures the Akra in Jerusalem, and removes the Seleucid garrison and those Jews who oppose Hasmonean rule. Simon renews alliances with Rome and Sparta. It is officially decided that Simon should be leader (hêgoumenos) and High Priest forever (1 Macc 14:41-43). 1 Macc 13:43-53; 14:4-49; Ant. 13.7; 213-17;  War. 1.2.2; 50 
*Josephus says that Simon razes the Akra, and levels the hill on which it stands, so that its elevation will be lower than the Temple mount, whereas 1 Macc 14:37 says that he fortifies the Akra (see War. 5.139).

The Hasmonean succession worked as follows...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasmonean_dynasty 

1. Mattathias, 170–167 BC
2. Judas Maccabeus, 167–160 BC
3. Jonathan Maccabeus, 153–143 BC
4. Simon Maccabeus, 142–141 BC
5. Simon, 141–135 BC
6. Hyrcanus I, 134–104 BC
7. Aristobulus I, 104–103 BC
8. Alexander Jannaeus, 103–76 BC
9. Salome Alexandra, 76–67 BC
10. Hyrcanus II, 67–66 BC
11. Aristobulus II, 66–63 BC (taken prisoner to Rome when Pompey conquered Jerusalem in 63 BC. Pompey restored Hyrcanus to the high priesthood and appointed him the ethnarc of Judea under Rome with authority to raise taxes for Rome (Pompey did not install a different Judean governor).
10. 63-47 BC Hyrcanus II was high priest and governor/king under Rome until Julius Caesar defeated Pompey on 46February6 BC = 47Shebat21/22 at the battle of Thapsus.
12. Antipater, the Idumean (Edomite) 47–40 BC. Hyrcanus II was recognized by Julius Caesar but demoted to Ethnarch under Antipater the Idumean (Edomite), the founder of the Herodian dynasty, who became the Roman governor of Judea after the defeat of Pompey, with rights to raise taxes - because Hyrcanus had not been very good at that - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antipater_the_Idumaean. the appointment by Caesar of Anitpater of Judea, restarted the Gentile Times.
13. Antigonus, 40–37 BC (not accepted by Rome, the world power, but installed by the Parthians as King and High priest - Northern Persians, not by the Judeans)
14. Aristobulus III, 36 BC (only as High Priest)


The Judeans came under taxation again when Pompey captured Jerusalem from Aristobulus II in 63BC. But Pompey favoured Hyrcanus II and put him back in power as ethnarc of Judea, the roman governor of Judea with authority to raise taxes for Rome. Then Caesar defeated Pompey at the battle of Thapsus in 47BC and promoted Antipater, the Idumean to be the ethnarc of Judea, the Roman governor of that province with the right to raise taxes for Rome instead. Antipater was a much better tax collector than Hyrcanus II. Perhaps that is why the people loved Hyrcanus II. Hyrcanus continued as the deputy under Antipater, the founder of the Herodian dynasty until 40BC when he was taken prisoner by the Parthians in Babylon and had his ears cut off so that he could no longer be ruler or high priest. Wikipedia has...

"The excessive taxation wrung from the people to pay for the extravagances of Anthony and Cleopatra had awakened a deep hatred against Rome. Antigonus gained the adherence of both the aristocratic class in Jerusalem and the leaders of the Pharisees. The Parthians, who invaded Syria in 40 BCE, preferred to see an anti-Roman ruler on the throne of Judea. When Antigonus promised them large sums of gold and five hundred female slaves besides, they put a troop of five hundred warriors at his disposal. Hyrcanus was sent to Babylon after suffering the mutilation of his ears, which rendered him unfit for the office of high priest. Herod fled from Jerusalem. In 40 BCE Antigonus was officially proclaimed king and high priest by the Parthians. His three year reign was a continuous struggle.

Herod succeeded in having himself declared king of Judea by Rome. On Herod's return from Rome in 39 BCE he opened a campaign against Antigonus and laid siege to Jerusalem. In the spring of 38 BCE, Herod wrested control of the province of Galilee and eventually all of Judea as far as Jerusalem. Due to the approach of winter, Herod postponed his siege of Jerusalem, where Antigonus and the remnants of his army took refuge, until spring. Herod was held off for 3–5 months but the Romans did eventually capture the city; however, the supporters of Antigonus fought until the Romans reached the inner courtyard of the Temple. Antigonus was taken to Antioch and executed, ending Hasmonean rule."

So Antipater, the Idumean, the founder of the Herodian dynasty, was the first tax raising ethnarc of Judea installed by Caesar, rather than by the people. For although Hyrcanus was appointed by Pompey, he had already been installed by the people previously. So the Gentile Times began again in 47 BC.

This makes a 95 year gap in the Gentile times from 142BC when Simon the Maccabean became the first prince and high priest of Judea, chosen by the people who were free from paying taxes to a foreign power, to the appointment of Antipater of Judea by Julius Caesar. This punctuation of the 2520 years of the Gentile Times means that it ran from 607Tishri to 141Tishri and then from 46Tishri to 2009Tishri in agricultural, secular, years. 2009Tishri14 was when Satan's 6,000 year lease from 3992Tishri18 BC expired. 

And Jesus would have started ruling the Kingdom of mankind as secular King through the 3rd holy spirit, the 144,000 1NC Kings on 2009Tishri18, had they themselves not come under the 7x of the Kingdom Gentile Times malediction from 2009Tishri15 to 2016Tishri15. The the Laodicean Gentile Times delays their coronation for a further 7 months until 2017Iyyar15. However finally on 2017Iyyar16, at the 3rd marriage, they get their crowns and they are appointed over the Zoar 1NC reserves and on 2017Tammuz5, the 2nd 1NC Pentecost and the 3rd marriage Pentecost, they start operations after their law completes its installation on 2017Tammuz4, the 7th Sabbath of 1NC Weeks. Then on 2017Tishri8, the 2Kings1 chief of the 3rd 50, the late 5th marriage Pentecost, the late completed 3rd Holy Spirit Pentecost, the 3rd Holy Spirit starts ruling the 4ECs and CRCs in Zoar and FDS4 resigns in their favour and baptises them into the church, in order that they can run it.

So the Gentile Times of John Aquila Brown and Charles Taze Russell and Dr Stephen E Jones, ran for 2520+95 years from 607Tishri to 2009Tishri. Then the Kingdom Gentile Times runs for a further 7 years from 2009Tishri15 to 2016Tishri15. Then the Laodicean Gentile Times runs for a further 7 months to 2017Iyyar15. This makes a total of 102 years and 7 months in addition to the 7x of the 2520 years before Jesus starts ruling over mankind.

Or in a more prosaic format...

Booths after Nechoh appoints Jehoiakim       Booths after Demetrius II grants Simon exemption from paying tribute   Booths after Julius Caesar appoints Anitpater ethnarc of Judea   Watchtower ICC Kingship Malediction   Laodicean ICC Kingship Malediction
Booths after Eliakim pays tribute to Nechoh   Booths after Simon Maccabeus appointed as Leader and High Priest   Booths after Antipater the Idumean pays tribute to Caesar            7 Year penalty                                         7 month penalty
607Tishri15                                                      141Tishri15                                                                                              46Tishri15                                                                                        2009Tishri15                                           2016Tishri15                     2017Iyyar15
X___________________________________X                                                                                                               X____________________________________________________X______________________________X____________________X
7 years of years, 2520 years, of the Discontinuous                               (95 year Maccabean Gap)                                        Gentile Times, the ICC Kingship malediction from physical Israel                Kingdom Gentile Times               Laodicean Gentile Times

All 3 of the Gentile Times maledictions prevent God from ruling as Caesar over the sons of the ICC, through a vassal chosen by him and his people (the sons of the ICC). Then on 2017Iyyar16, the completed 3rd Holy Spirit marriage occurs, and the queen is crowned, and Jesus is appointed to rule over God's people through his wife, his queen, his administration, his most holy, the 3rd Holy Spirit. Actually the queen then spends 7 days in the bridal chamber begin 'inaugurated'. So veil lifting day is 2017Iyyar23, after 7 whole days of inauguration. That is the finished mystery of the 7 prophetic Times plus the 7 years, plus the 7 months plus the 7 days plus the Maccabean gap of the Gentile Times. The administration completes its installation at the 3rd marriage Pentecost, which is the 2nd 1NC Pentecost on 2017Tammuz5. On that day, 3rd Holy Spirit Law, is implemented over the Zoar 1NC autonomous church.

6 And Jehovah went passing by before his face and declaring: Jehovah, Jehovah, a God merciful and gracious, slow to anger and abundant in loving-kindness and truth,
7 preserving loving-kindness for thousands, pardoning error and transgression and sin, but by no means will he give exemption from punishment, bringing punishment for the error of fathers upon sons and upon grandsons, upon the 3rd generation and upon the 4th generation. (Exodus 34 NWT)

Well the father were physical Israel, the sons, the first generation was TCC1 (which became the Roman Catholic Church) , the grandson, the second generation, was TCC2, the church founded by Paul, the 3rd generation was TCC3 (the Watchtower), the water baptized generation of Russell, and the 4th generation is was TCC4 and  Laodicea. All 4 of these sons, grandsons, great grandsons and great great grandsons, suffer maledictions brought upon them by their paternal ancestors, the previous true churches. The idolatry errors of TCC1 and TCC3 were paid off concurrently during the 7 years of the Kingdom Gentile Times. The Laodicean penalty although run up purely by that sect of the LW church, effects all of God's official people, the sons of the ICC, whether they were in Laodicea or not. 

But there is another reason why we add 102 years to the Gentile Times and that is MENE MENE TEKEL and PARSIN of Daniel5 - see U164.

In conclusion a Gentile Times over God's people occurs when they have a ruler appointed over them by a foreign power who raises taxes for that power.

To demonstrate that the Hasmoneans were Kings in Israel consider the following map of Jerusalem from the time of Jesus. Notice the Hasmonean palace just to the left of the temple and to the right of Herod's palace.

For comparison, here is a map of Jerusalem today...


What is the Significance of 1914Tishri, 2520 years after the Gentile Times began?

Well the key here is to realise that the phrase...

know that the Most High is powerful/the authority [adjective used substantively - the potentate, the authority, the ruler] in the kingdom of mankind and that to the one whom he wants to, he gives it.

appears 3x in the account verbatim. It appears twice prefixed by the words "7x themselves will pass over you until you". The bible code tells us that a verbatim repeated phrase is a key symbolism. It also tells us to treat everything as distributively as possible.  It also tells us that ambiguities (such as being the authority - which could be either secular or sacred) are deliberate. So the key symbolic phrase should be read as follows...

7x themselves will pass over you until you know that the Most High is the [secular and the sacred] authority in the kingdom of mankind, 
7x themselves will pass over you until you know that to the one whom he wants to he gives it [the kingdom of mankind]

This gives us two end points, both after 7x. Here is what these two end points are. 
1. In 1914Tishri, 7 Prophetic Times after 607Tishri, the Watchtower knew that the most high was ruler in the Kingdom of mankind again, falsely believing that the Gentiles Times ended then, whereas in fact the most high used his authority to appoint the Watchtower as his priesthood to feed his people at the proper time officially in 1914Tishri. 
2. In 2009Tishri, 7 Prophetic Times of Satanic secular rulership over God's people after 607Tishri (excluding the 95 years of the Hasmonean liberation of Judea), he gives the Kingdom to the one who he wants to give it - namely Jesus Christ. Jesus becomes the secular ruler of God's people who enter into the ark from 2017Iyyar16 onwards. Then again due to the mark of the beast, which comes into force on 2017Elul16, 6-16 day of the new kingdom secular year, and which prevents us paying any taxes to Caesar or obeying his rules since we cannot buy or sell, having no useable money, and since we are freed from all his laws by becoming outlaws for refusing the mark. Actually this means that the mark of the beast, when viewed spiritually, is a secular liberation - a positive thing!

So 1914Tishri is still a really important date and it is still a fulfilment of Daniel4. But it is a long way from being the only fulfilment. It is also a fulfilment of Leviticus26, for there are two error payback periods of 2520 years referred to there  - see U121

At the late 2NC first fruits/Pentecost on 1914Heshvan2/Chislev21, FDS3 were priestly appointed/installed to feed the Watchtower by Jesus - see U42. They were appointed/installed to rule as sacred king over all of Jesus' belongings (at that time - which was the non reserve 1NC saints) on 1918Iyyar22/Tammuz11, the 2nd 1NC first fruits/Pentecost, for the 2nd presence, the 2nd appointment over non reserve 1NCs, the second appointment over those in the Gentile continuation call in particular. They had auhtority to make and enforce sacred law for the church. But they were never the secular King of any Jehovah's Witness - the Gentile Times of secular rulership of God's people was still in force throughout the entirety of the priesthood and the administration of the Watchtower. All JWs obey the secular rules of the nation to which they belong so long as they do not conflict with God's law (as interpreted or misinterpreted by the Watchtower).

The crazy thing is that the escape of the Maccabeans from Gentile Rulership for 95 years from 141Tishri14 to 46Tishri15 BC necessitated the slavery of the 3rd true church and the 4th to Satan as Caesar for 95 years from 1914Tishri15 to 2009Tishri15.

The Gentile Times malediction, caused by the idolatry of Physical Israel, could not extend further than the end of Satan's lease, since it was a removal of the blessing of having God as king under a Satanic lease. Once the lease has gone, then God is King period. Whereas the Kingdom Gentile Times and the Laodicean Gentile Times are maledictions preventing the 3rd Holy Spirit from being King under God. So God's chosen vassal is prevented from exercising kingship on behalf of God during those maledictions.

Watchtower Tax Exemption

There is an argument to be made that the Gentile Times did end on 1914Tishri because Jesus appointed the Watchtower to feed in that month and the Watchtower Society being a charity was not paying any tax to Caesar. Whereas the first Christian church would have paid tax to Caesar. But the first Christian church does not appear to have been incorporated. The donations were just laid at the feet of the apostles who paid tax like anyone else. This is an interesting argument. But individual JWs including the members of the governing body do pay taxes to Caesar and are subject to his laws as is the Watchtower Society itself. So the charitable status of the Watchtower does not end the Gentile Times in our judgement.

Nebuchadnezzar did suffer the 7 year malediction himself

There is secular evidence that King Nebuchadnezzar lost his sanity for 7 years from Wikipedia...


A clay tablet in the British Museum (BM34113) describes Nebuchadnezzar's behaviour during his insanity: "His life appeared of no value to him... then he gives an entirely different order... he does not show love to son or daughter... family and clan does not exist (Kendall K. Down, Daniel: Hostage in Babylon, p.30).There is also a notable absence of any record of acts or decrees by the king during 582 to 575 BC (Gleason Archer, Vol 7 Expositor's Bible Commentary)

Both the Continuous and the Discontinuous Gentile Times Maledictions began on 607Tishri15

This is because the 390 years of error of Jeroboam and Israel began on the first day of Booths, 997Tishri15, because Jeroboam made the political decision to forego that festival and instead to make up his own version of Booths starting a month later on 997Heshvan15...

26 And Jeroboam began to say in his heart: Now the kingdom will return to the house of David.
27 If this people continues going up to render sacrifices in the house of Jehovah in Jerusalem, the heart of this people will also be bound to return to their lord, Rehoboam the king of Judah; and they will certainly kill me and return to Rehoboam the king of Judah.
28 Consequently the king took counsel and made 2 golden calves and said to the people: It is too much for you to go up to Jerusalem. Here is your God, Oh Israel, that brought you up out of the land of Egypt.
29 Then he placed the one in Bethel, and the other he put in Dan.
30 And this thing came to be a cause for sin, and the people began to go before the one as far as Dan.
31 And he began to make a house of high places and to make priests from the people in general, who did not happen to be of the sons of Levi.
32 And Jeroboam went on to make a festival in the 8th month on the 15th day of the month, like the festival that was in Judah, that he might make offerings upon the altar that he had made in Bethel, to sacrifice to the calves that he had made; and he put in attendance at Bethel the priests of the high places that he had made.
33 And he began to make offerings upon the altar that he had made in Bethel on the 15th day in the 8th month, in the month that he had invented by himself [but not the day he invented for himsef. This was a counterfeit/replacement Booths festival]; and he proceeded to make a festival for the sons of Israel and to make offerings upon the altar to make sacrificial smoke. (1 Kings 12 NWT).

So 390 years of error of Ezekiel4 take us to 607Tishri15, when the 7 fold penalty for that error began.

4 And as for you, lie upon your left side, and you must lay the error of the house of Israel upon it. For the number of the days that you will lie upon it you will carry their error.
5 And I myself must give to you the years of their error to the number of 390 days, and you must carry the error of the house of Israel.
6 And you must complete them. And you must lie upon your right side in the second case, and you must carry the error of the house of Judah 40 days. A day for a year, a day for a year, is what I have given you. (Ezekiel 4 NWT)

The Dream is primarily about an Exedenic Times not a Gentile Times

Finally on 2015Nisan9, Gordon realised that a tree reaching the heavens providing food and then being cut down so as not to provide food is not a symbolism for the Gentile Times but is rather a symbolism for the Exedenic Times. For blessed food from trees was available to God's people in Eden and in the promised land - but not in between (due to the curse on the ground resulting from Adam's sin in the pre-flood system - which was ended by the flood of Noah. And due to no land being given to God's people - which could be blessed until 1473Nisan). For the scripture says...

9 Thus Jehovah God made to grow out of the ground every tree desirable to one's sight and good for food and also the tree of life in the middle of the garden and the tree of the knowledge of good and bad. (Genesis 2 NWT)

And then again...

11 And they began to eat some of the yield of the land the day after the Passover (1473Nisan15, the first Sabbath of Cakes), unfermented cakes and roasted grains, on this same day. (Joshua 5 NWT)

Actually on a Sabbath one should not harvest a field. So they must have harvested the grain for the cakes on 1473Nisan14, the Passover. This was food from a blessed land. Egypt had nice watermelons and fish... 

5 How we remember the fish that we used to eat in Egypt for nothing, the cucumbers and the watermelons and the leeks and the onions and the garlic! (Numbers 11 NWT)

But was not blessed by God so as to produce twice the normal harvest in the 6th year. And was not as good as Israel agriculturally...

5 And why have you conducted us up out of Egypt to bring us into this evil place? It is no place of seed and figs and vines and pomegranates, and there is no water to drink. (Numbers 20 NWT)

So the Exedenic Times ended on 1473Nisan14/15 and therefore started 7x360=2520 years earlier on 3993Nisan14/15 (Adam sinned on 3993Nisan14). 

But the tree had a band of copper and a band of iron around its rootstock, its stump. Now a band goes around the tree one time but has no beginning or end. So since 7x pass over these bands, there is a further period of 7x360=2520 years related to the copper band and a further period of 2520 years relating to the iron band. Well copper is the priestly metal (all the priestly utensils in the temple were made of it) so the copper band stands for the priesthood malediction of the Alienation Times. Whereas iron is the rulership metal, so the band of iron stands for a Kingship malediction. 

27 And he shall shepherd the people with an iron rod so that they will be broken to pieces like clay vessels, the same as I have received from my Father, (Revelation 2 NWT).

The account has no information about when these two further malediction start or finish - that being the symbolism of the two bands - which have no start or end. Also the bands are continuous and unbroken, so they represent 7x with no gap. The Exedenic, the Alienation and the Gentile Times are all isometric (the same length) since the bands each go around the tree trunk one time precisely. 

All the Various 7x maledictions symbolically represented by Daniel4

Dream: FDS1 suffered an Exedenic Times and an Alienation Times and ran up a Gentile Times penalty which could only be paid back from 2009Tishri15 to 2016Tishri15, since they were sacred rulers, a priesthood, a true church, not secular rulers.
Dream: The 1NC saints of FDS3 of the ICC suffer the Kingdom Exedenic Times from 2008Nisan14/15 to 2015Nisan14/15, the Kingdom Alienation Times from 2009Chislev21 to 2016Chislev21 and the Kingdom Gentile Times from 2009Tishri15 to 2016Tishri15.

Interpretation: Second presence 
Laodicean Gentile Times is 7 months from 2016Tishri15-2017Iyyar15
Laodicean Alienation Times is 7 months from 2017Iyyar21-2017Chislev21. 
Laodicean Exedenic Times is 7 months from 2017Elul16 to 2018Nisan16 (to prevent them from entering into the ark - for God swore in his anger that they shall not enter into his rest)?

Interpretation: First presence Laodicea suffers similarly.

Fulfilment: God's official people suffer the discontinuous Gentile Times itself from 607Tishri15 to 141Tishri15 BC then from 46Tishri15 BC to 2009Tishri15 AD. They suffer the continuous Exedenic Times from 3993Nisan14/15, the eviction from Eden to 1473Nisan14/15 when food from the promised land is eaten. They suffer the continuous Alienation Times from 2488Sivan5-11 to 33Sivan5 (Pentecost).

The word symbolic meaning of the fulfilment upon Nebuchadnezzar is just a malediction with a total length of 7x. It is not restricted by the symbolism of the tree that is cut down with 7x passing over it. So the greater meaning of the 7x of the fulfilment upon Nebuchadnezzar can have a gap in it. Whereas the greater meanings of the dream and the interpretation which are about the tree, cannot have a gap and so are continuous.

The word symbolic meanings of Daniel4

In this account we have the dream, the recital, the interpretation, and the fulfilment of the same set of events. This gives 4 fulfilments in each of the 2 word symbolic threads.

There was no malediction  upon the LWs from 2006Tammuz3, our first attempt at a second fire sign prediction (which was revised to 2006Tammuz2-6 before the period arrived) to 2013Tammuz3, when we apologised by fax to the Watchtower for telling them that God would nuke them. We explained that Satan was going to nuke Manhattan and God was going to execute their firstborn at a series of Passovers following the fire signs.

Here is a sentence count on Daniel 4...

And visions of my head upon my bed, I was beholding 4x.
and look!  
a tree in the middle of the land 1x
and height of him enormous 1x
he grew large the tree 1x
and he grew strong 1x
and height of him touched to the skies 3x
and visibility of him [touched] to end of all the earth 1x
leaf of him beautiful 1x
and fruit of him abundant  1x
and food to/for all flesh in him 1x
under him she found shelter, beast of field 1x+1x
and in branches of him they lived, birds of the airs 9x
and from him, he was fed, every creature 3x

4x.25x=100x (of the feeding of the 5,000 in Mark6)

100 years not from the appointment/installation to feed of FDS3 on 1914Heshvan2/Chislev21,  late 2NC first fruits day after the end of the continuous Gentile Times on 1914Tishri15, but from its appointment/installation over all of Jesus' belongings on 1918Iyyar22/Tammuz11 to sometime before 2018Ab14, when they are all dead, every single remaining Jehovah's Witness.

'Birds of the airs' are the saints. Every creature is being fed 'at the proper time'. The branches of this tree are the 5 watches of the Watchtower or perhaps the WTBTS and Laodicea. 

We have the narrative of the dream, we have the recital of the dream by Daniel, we have the interpretation of the dream by Daniel and we have the angel actually telling the king what he had dreamed would happen and then the fulfilment. The phrase 7 times appears 4x in the account. So there are many many maledictions of 7x being referred to in this one account.

The Gentile Times began with the end of the physical sons of David having Kingship over Israel. Jehoahaz was the last King to represent God upon the throne of Judah. Jehoiakim represented Pharaoh Necho and was chosen by him.  

26 This is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said: Remove the turban, and lift off the crown. This will not be the same. Put on high even what is low, and bring low even the high one. 
27 A ruin, a ruin, a ruin I shall make it. As for this also, it will certainly become no [one's] until he comes who has the legal right, and I must give [it] to him (Ezekiel 21).

Three ruins of Kings over God’s people. This may just refer to TCC1/2/3.

Incidentally Charles Russell may have correctly identified the great 2520 year malediction of Daniel 4 as the 'Gentile Times' of Luke, which is another way of saying the 'Appointed times of the Nations' of Luke, in a word symbolic thread:

24 And they will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations, until the appointed times of the nations are fulfilled (Luke 21).

But in the literal meaning this is the Israeli Gentile Times see U121.

Now God ceased having a vassal king that represented him over his people sometime before Nebuchadnezzar besieged Jerusalem and burnt the temple in 586Ab10 BC (13th August). In fact the first king over the Jews who did not represent God was Jehoiakim who acceded sometime between 608 Tishri BC (September/October) and 607 Elul (August/September), in fact it was on 608Chislev10 (13th November), see - [97]. So the last agricultural year of God's Kingship started in 608Tishri, and the first agricultural year without God as king over the seed of Abraham started on 607Tishri1 (23rd September). Jehoiakim was appointed by Pharaoh Nechoh of Egypt and was a vassal of his, see [121]. So the Gentile Times, the 7 Prophetic Times of God ceasing to be the King of his people, who are Abraham's seed, the manifestation of which was that a Gentile was their King, started in 607Tishri. So it would have ended in 1914Tishri (there was no 0BC it went 1BC then 1AD) - had it not been for the Hasmonean liberation from 142/141BC to 47/46BC. 1914Tishri was the start of the first world war!

The great war can now be seen in spiritual terms to be a fracas caused by Satan to try to reject the appointment of FDS3 by Jesus to feed Isaac's true seed at the proper time. Jesus appointed an earthly vassal to feed his people, the sons of the ICC on earth the minute the continuous Gentile Times ended. This was Charles Russell, the 3rd Elijah. Russell was appointed as head of the faithful and discreet slave to feed God's official people at the proper time. This appointment/installation occurred on 1914Heshvan2/Chislev21, ;ate 2NC first fruits/Pentecost. Matthew refers to it, saying...

45 Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?
46 Happy is that slave if his master on arriving finds him doing so. 
47 Truly I say to you, He will appoint him over all his belongings (Matthew 24).

The first appointment is to feed at the proper time, and then if this is carried out satisfactorily, the second appointment is over all belongings. The former appointment is also referred to by Paul:

9 In that he made known to us the sacred secret of his will. It is according to his good pleasure which he purposed in himself 
10 for an administration at the full limit of the appointed times [the Gentile Times], namely, to gather all things together again in the Christ, the things in the heavens and the things on the earth. Yes, in him (Ephesians 1).

The administration is that of the faithful and discreet slave above. Now the administration that Jesus appointed was quite simply the one that recognised that this 2,520 year period did indeed end in 1914Tishri. And this administration was the Watchtower Society. Therefore this scripture in Revelation 11 refers to them in respect of one of the two witnesses:

1 And a reed like a rod was given me as he said: Get up and measure the temple [sanctuary] of God and the altar and those worshiping in it.
2 But as for the courtyard that is outside the temple [sanctuary], cast it clear out and do not measure it, because it has been given to the nations, and they will trample the holy city underfoot for 42 months [WW1].
3 And I will cause my 2 witnesses to prophesy 1260 days dressed in sackcloth.
4 These are [symbolized by] the 2 olive trees [holy spirit baptisms into 2 covenants] and the 2 lampstands [2 true churches of a presence] and are standing before the Lord of the earth.
5 And if anyone wants to harm them, fire issues forth from their mouths and devours their enemies; and if anyone should want to harm them, in this manner he must be killed.
6 These have the authority to shut up heaven that no rain should fall during the days of their prophesying, and they have authority over the waters to turn them into blood and to strike the earth with every sort of plague as often as they wish.
7 And when they have finished their witnessing, the wild beast that ascends out of the abyss will make war with them and conquer them and kill them (Revelation 11).

For more on this and on Zechariah 4 see U151. Ok, the nations are trampling Jerusalem underfoot as in the case of Luke 21 above. And it was Elijah who shut up heaven for 42 months in the days of Ahab, and this prefigured Jesus ministry:

25 For instance, I tell you in truth, There were many widows in Israel [covenants with dead mediators exclusive to the inhabitants Israel, LCC, Law, JAC, ICC etc] in the days of Elijah, when the heaven was shut up [the Pharisees were silenced] 3 years and 6 months [from 33Nisan14 to 36Tishri18 when Cornelius was baptised], so that a great famine fell upon all the earth (ghn) [their teachings were shown to be of no nutritional value]
26 yet Elijah [1EC water baptism] was sent to none of those [women], but only to Zarephath in the land of Sidon to a widow [the Gentile call into the 1NC, the widow of Jesus]  (Luke 4).

17 Elijah was a man with feelings like ours, and yet in prayer he prayed for it not to rain; and it did not rain upon the earth (gh) for 3 years and 6 months [the baptism into the ICC through the law of Moses ended at the baptism of Jesus, so from 29Tishri10 to 33Nisan14, it did not rain upon the land of Israel, the congregation under law]
18 And he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain and the earth (gh) put forth its fruit [the new heaven of FDS1 appointed on 33Nisan16, was able to give rain, causing its land, its new earth, its congregation to be baptised] (James 5).

So we can now apply the No Coincidences Principle and deduce that the 42 months of prophesying of each of these two witnesses is a direct antitype of Jesus' ministry. Here is the comparison:

Witness Appointed/Installed (by) Jesus to feed Started prophesying in sackcloth Appointed/Installed over all belongings Stopped prophesying in sackcloth Duration
Apostles ministry to Jews 29Tishri2/Heshvan21 33Nisan14: Jesus sacrificed. 33Nisan16/Sivan5 36Tishri14 Cornileus baptised 42 months
Watchtower ministry to Christendom 1914Heshvan2/Chislev21 (after 7x from 607Tishri to 1914TIshri15 ends) 1919VeAdar12/13 (Rutherford and WTBTS directors released from prison) 1918Iyyar22/Tammuz11 1922Elul13 (Cedar Point ADVertise speech by Rutherford) 42 months
Lords' Witnesses ministry to Watchtower 1994Nisan21/Sivan10 - U42  1992Elul11 First book: [Letter to Society] hand delivered to Watchtower HQ 1997Tishri2/Heshvan21 - U42  1995Adar11 Gordon disfellowshipped 42 months

Now Jesus' ministry lasted 42 months, and it had a religious system change in it. So likewise the two periods of prophesying of the two witnesses of Revelation 11 have religious system changes in them - see U151

For more detail of the pattern of Jesus' life mapped onto the early history of the Watchtower - see U42.

The purpose of the above is to establish that Charles Russell became King over God's official people, Isaac's seed, the sons of the ICC, on 1914Tishri15 at the end of the continuous Gentile Times, in accordance with the pattern of Jesus life, which applies to both of his presences. He was a vassal of Jesus who is still a vassal of God over the sons of the ICC today.

Russell is therefore the successor actually to Jehoahaz, the son of Josiah, the last Vassal King of God over the sons of the ICC of ancient Israel - see [91]. And that the Watchtower is not the final true religion, there is a second group of witnesses which has this honour from God, the Lords' Witnesses.

Returning to the Symbolism of Daniel 4: The Seraph said to Isaiah, to say to this people not once, but again and again:

9 Go, and you must say to this people: Hear again and again, O men, but do not understand; and see again and again, but do not get any knowledge.
10 Make the heart of this people unreceptive, and make their very ears unresponsive, and paste their very eyes together, that they may not see with their eyes and with their ears they may not hear, and that their own heart may not understand and that they may not actually turn back and get healing for themselves.
11 At this I said: How long, O Jehovah? Then he said: Until the cities actually crash in ruins, to be without an inhabitant, and the houses be without earthling man, and the ground itself is ruined into a desolation; 
12 and Jehovah actually removes earthling men far away, and the deserted condition does become very extensive in the midst of the land. 
13 And there will still be in it a tenth, and it must again become something for burning down, like a big tree and like a massive tree in which, when there is a cutting down [of them], there is a stump; a holy seed will be the stump of it (Isaiah 6).

So people are blind and deaf and dull until cities crash in ruins and earthling man is removed far from God. Then there is a tenth, a holy seed, a stump of a big tree, a massive tree, which again becomes something for burning down, like Nebuchadnezzar did to Jerusalem. So the cut down or burned down stump is a holy seed, more than once, these seeds are Jacob, FDS3 and FDS4. A tenth is God’s farming percentage, at Armageddon. For the full decoding of Daniel 4 - see [136].

We do wonder whether the three 7x maledictions on man exist due to the gap between Adam's sin and the 3 big ransoms of Gabriel, Melchizedek and Michael.

3993 to 33 is 4025 years

3340 the birth of Methuselah (653 after 3993) and 969=1622 years

Cainan resurrected Shelah around 2309 BC (1684 after 3393) + 330 = 2014 years

Total number of years without one or other ransom is 7661 not 7560 which is 21x.